Consequently, the Super Audio CD (SACD) was developed by Philips and Sony. Animals is a concept album, focusing on the social-political conditions of mid-1970s Britain, and was a change from the style of the band's earlier work. Vinyl. Very pleasing, I like it. SACD players have a 8 to 10 second delay as they switch layers and the mastering can be different on different layers, even on the same hybrid SACD. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage . Likewise whichever has the edge in your playback system will be superior to the. Vinyl is an analog storage medium, which means there is a physical record of the music imprinted. SACD vs. Check the numbers; audiophiles have voted decisively with their wallets for vinyl. Vinyl. It ain't dead to me at all, thanks in no small part to our host. NorthNY Mark and Espen R like this. Sep 23, 2022. Every time. Overall, Aja represents a high-water mark in Steely Dan's career, showcasing the band's unique blend of. The higher resolution of the blu ray might also explain the audible tape hiss not heard on the cd. jupiterboy likes this. And so on. Consequently, the Super Audio CD (SACD) was developed by Philips and Sony. The album was developed from a collection of unrelated. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. Hybrid Stereo SACD. Whether you are just getting started building a classical music collection, or a seasoned collector, there are many ways in which to enjoy the music. The category "Outstanding" doesn't mean audiophile sound, but outstanding quality compared to original pressings. This stereo UHQR reissue will be limited to 30,000 copies, with gold foil individually numbered jackets, housed in a premium slipcase with a wooden dowel spine. With a storage capacity of 4. I have a few titles on both vinyl, r2r, cd and SACD. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. is the world leader in audiophile music. . The critics used a very expensive sacd player against a very expensive turntable. The question of whether SACD sounds better is subjective and nuanced. Analog sources- CD vs. Blue Note sacds), I already have records of. CD vs. The gap. In the vinyl vs. This is the SACD that was recommended by Steve and it is the best I've heard so far. SACD Players SACD stands for Super Audio CD. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Please login or register an accountlogin or register an accountMoody Blues "Question of bal. Under perfect circumstances, SACD provides an incremental improvement over CD. This setup would be more flexible and cheaper overall. I don’t care what they claim they did to the CD. On the vinyl, the violin and the acoustic rhythm guitar lay back a bit, and there's a slightly rounded-off, woody tone to the drumming and the bass, and a very, very subtle tunneled, recessed quality to the vocals. It sounds manipulated and phony. Merch Rep the community and hobby you love so much. I was still unconvinced. DeTurk quickly added, "The vinyl's sound always destroys the peak-limited, 16-bit CD version, it kills it dead. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. The only significant differences are in noise. In other words, it sounds like continuous noise on the tape which is mainly audible between the tracks, and MFSL decided not to fade it out. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Pacific 2 SE -> Ayon Crossfire III or Circle Labs A100 -> Avantgarde Acoustic Trio LE 26 with 4x REL Carbon Special ,SACD Player: Audio Aero La Fontaine Analog : Transrotor Fat Bob S. I live near a JVC distributor and have access to many of the titles. ) than the original 2002 redbook CD. Two of the discs were mastered in MQA and two were SACD. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Great sounding discs are much, much more frequent than on redbook, and it comes with none of the hassles of vinyl attached, plus you can rip the redbook layer and take it. . psulioninks Forum Resident Thread Starter. Cardioid microphones are a good choice for general-purpose recording and live sound reinforcement, while supercardioid microphones are better suited for more challenging environments where there is a lot of ambient noise and the sound source needs to be isolated more tightly. Please login or register an accountlogin or register an accountThere was a comparison of this sacd against a vinyl record (first printing). For 11 years, I’ve enjoyed a Puccini + U-clock to spin CDs and (especially) SACDs. They also don’t degrade with each playback, unlike analog records. I may have to compare the SHM-SACD or other CD versions to this SACD to see if it improves at all on those. As for sound I am betting you will become a believer in the merits of vinyl. 0:00 - LP2. DSD uses delta-sigma modulation a form of pulse-density modulation encoding, a technique to represent audio signals in digital format, a sequence of single-bit values at a sampling rate of 2. My reluctance in getting a transport has many reasons, the main being my investment in vinyl, but I did need to find a link to my CDs. 00. . I go between the US Sony SACD and the 35DP depending on mood. Limited Edition Numbered SACD CMOB 2260 SA $29. The differences between them, resolution wise, are huge since XRCD is a pure red book format at 16/44. But I do own the original US CD and '93 remaster, along with the vinyl which is a skip-fest sadly. . My guess is that if they wanted to tweak the SACD to match the sound of the final vinyl pressing, they probably could…. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. I don't know which is more truthful. or Add to Wishlist. My sony bdps590 sacd output in lcpm to my AVR sounds different to my Cambridge audio dvd89 analogue out and foobar2000 lcpm out. Also, I believe Testikoff mentioned that the Shm transfer came from a master tape made for vinyl, which is not a good thing IMO. . I grew up in the analogue days (vinyl and tape) so tape hiss is to be expected on recordings. SACD's can tend to have better mastering and transfer than standard CD releases of the same album. . #30. SACD vs. Steely Dan-Cant Buy A Thrill-Hybrid Stereo SACD|Acoustic Sounds. SACD. Home. And it was a very close match with the vinyl barely winning the battle. Boy, what a difference. (Warner 3010-2, mastering credit: Perry, Caillat) for 9. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. The data is read by a laser, and then decoded to produce audio playback. SHM-SACD vs Original LP/Original LP-rip, Original CD and other reissues. Quote: Originally Posted by memepool Isn't it odd then that their full sized machines like the Sony BDP-S1 support a Matsu****a format like DVD but won't play legacy Sony format's like SACD or even redbook. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. The SHM CD would have an edge over standard CD but would not surpass Vinyl and SACD, DVD-A if the pressing is mastered properly. Vinyl is better than CD because it reproduces higher frequencies than CD and avoids anti-aliasing filter issues at the frequencies CDs can reproduce. The MoFi vinyl is a real eye-opener. I like SACD as a format, but it's kind of pointless for me when nothing I listen to is on it, and the few things that may peak my interest (i. Two channel SACD just blew away the CD's, while hybrids were not out yet I had albums that I had both the CD and the SACD to compare. " CD or SACD vs Vinyl. . The authors aren’t saying that high-res digital might sound a little different from Red Book CD but is no better. DeepDiscount has 1/25 as the release date. I voted 'Who Cares. " For classical I prefer SACD due to the format's running time though. Thread starter mosttoysrk; Start date Sep 25, 2007; Help Support MartinLogan Audio Owners Forum:. Which format do you like the most, or find to be the closest to the original master tapes? Or, if you attend live concerts (or play and instrument), which format do you prefer and why? wenterprisesnw 02-04-2000 7:53pm. (1993 Sony Japan SRCS-6827) Pearl Jam-Yield (1998 Epic Vinyl E 68164) Pink Floyd-The Dark Side Of The Moon (1983 Toshiba Japan Black Triangle De Emph CP35-3017) Pink Floyd-The Dark Side Of The Moon (1993 EMI 20th Anniv 0777 7 81479 2 3) Pink Floyd-The Dark Side Of The Moon (2003 EMI SACD HR 7243 582136 2 1) Pink Floyd-The Wall (D1) (2006 EMI. #3. Both formats have their own unique advantages and disadvantages, so it can be tough to decide which one is right for you. 98. Roland. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. . Well, I've been thinking of getting into vinyl for a while now but still haven't done it. I don't know which is more truthful. Vinyl has more. I’ll explain in a minute, but first I want to make sure we know what the SACD format is, and what makes it different from a standard compact disc. To finish with the digital versions, the version in 360 (RA) Reality Audio brings a great rendering. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. OTOH, there are many recordings from the 60s, 70s, and 80s that are of poor sound quality. Third - Single side Japanese SACD . SACD Players VS Vinyl Read More » The hybrid just has a separate layer for the CD bits. While vinyl records, in theory, directly encode a smooth audio wave, CDs sample that audio wave at various points and then collate those samples. Have GFTO on SACD and the Yes 1968 - 1987 Studio Boxset on CD. . Or sign in with one of these services. The overall mastering job is superior on the Abkco releases and the detail is greater on both the SACD and vinyl reissuses. Packaging: Nicest packaging and faithful reproduction of the original album. Acoustic Sounds Audiophile Vinyl Records. To address a few questions; there are two seperate series, stereo and Mono in the Prestige SACD series, each with unique titles. On the other hand, vinyl’s sound stage remains unbeaten, as the ClearAudio parallel arm. The choice between the two depends on personal preferences and the desired. UPC: 093624979340: Availability:. Thread Tools. 112 posts total. Virtual. Bonus enjoyment if you have a 5. Not that the SACD doesn't sound really good. McLover, Apr 26, 2012 #2. When it comes to listening to music, there are two main formats that audiophiles swear by: SACD players and vinyl. Please login or registerlogin or registerThe primary difference noted between the LP and SACD was the increased soundstage and depth of the SACD. One is the MFSL version which I loved. I have to say that 3 songs into the SACD I shut it off and went back to the vinyl. SACD vs. I just don't have many detailed DVD-Audio discs. Page 2 of 2 < Prev 1 2. Mine arrived earlier this afternoon (GMT +8), along with Paranoid and Who's Next. This is the average EQ of the first track, Tears of Rage. Tiny imperfections in the belts or wheels of the turntable will cause more. By Paul Sinclair. The only significant differences are in noise. - John SunierMoody Blues "Question of bal. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. IMHO. The RCA CD of Respighi’s Pines of Rome opens with a wall of sound plastered along the frontal plane of the speakers. Vinyl has more. Vinyl. The difference between 24/192 and DSD is that the DSD sounds more analog like, but this is not a huge difference in overall sound quality. YES Fragile also sounded quite excellent. And I'm not all that hot on CDs. Here are my impressions. The SHM CD would have an edge over standard CD but would not surpass Vinyl and SACD, DVD-A if the pressing is mastered properly. Tony van Veen is the CEO of DIY Media Group, the parent company of Disc Makers and BookBaby. After an extensive shoot-out lasting 53 hours, I'm. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist. For comparison of the 2022 SACD and vinyl: I have to do it again with all releases. The Analogue Productions SACD of Pink Floyd ‘s The Dark Side of the Moon is finally shipping after a long wait. ”. I think there's some digital filtering. Vinyl. If the system is highly resolving there is a considerable and sometimes overwhelming difference. It is a high end format accessible to someone who doesn't want to mess with a protractor, cleaning records or flipping a disc every 20 minutes. It lacks the deep bass of the Abkco pressing but sounds so much more "vivid" and real. Disagree. There's no real difference between the sound characteristics of vinyl, SACD or CD. Although this recording was digital, the Parsons 2017 remaster actually sounds more analogue than the original cd. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. 49. Low Noise Floor: SACDs tend to have a lower noise floor compared to vinyl records, which means less background noise or surface noise during playback. Boy, what a difference. meatballz. It's ok if you like 'that' sound. Well as I might have expected the SACD was the best. jmtd. DVD-Audio vs Vinyl vs. The overall mastering job is superior on the Abkco releases and the detail is greater on both the SACD and vinyl reissuses. Vinyl. Virtual Systems Let the world see what you've built. of the Dark Side of the Moon, is NOT good sonically. I noted underneath your review of the box set that the new SHM-SACD was a flat transfer from the analogue master. Joined Mar. 49. The vinyl reissues of this title (box set and standalone) are revelatory. DJM first pressing vinyl from the UK best of all media. I do have two different versions of "Question of Balance". 1kHz/16-bit digital audio is indistinguishable from high-resolution digital. CD was based on limited video tape storage capacity, and also on 1970s computing power. You're comparing a fully mature fomat (vinyl) with what, 80 years of development behind it, to one with 4 years or so. Quote: Originally Posted by FenderP To me, it's not about formats. Sex Lies And Master Tapes, Sep 16, 2022. Then I bought the new SACD version. The MoFi also has surface noise,while the Abkco vinyl is near silent. Szeppelin75, Nov 7, 2016. Location: West Hollywood, CA and Inverness, IL. Sony SACD. SACD (1999) uses completely different 1-Bit method of encoding so it is hard to extrapolate, but best guess, SACD is about. The SACD vs. the HDCD, the single-layer SACD, the MFSL SACD and vinyl, the Audio Fidelity vinyl, and the RSD candy-colored 150-numbered-limited pressing. In the end it really comes down to the transfer and the mastering. Quick links. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. Even as a purist I am very happy with the results. 112 posts total. Then I bought the new SACD version. I have SACD that beats my vinyl and vice versa. Moody Blues "Question of bal. It's about the music you like. How Much Do We Need To Spend To Hear What CD/SACD or Vinyl Really Has To Offer. 4. There are also the hybrid SACD discs from AP but I am not as familiar with those. The band did NOT like it at all. I sampled a bunch of SACDs and kept finding differences that were attributable to different mastering and. The higher the bitrate, the better the sound quality. Bach's St Matthew's Passion. Fourth - 45 rpm vinyl . vinyl, I'm surprised no one has brought up the concept of DSD's "euphoric distortion" and how that might relate to the perception of increased sound quality. Vinyl does not always trounce digital. SACD vs. Many audiophiles choose to embrace both formats, recognizing that each. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours - 45 RPM Vinyl Record. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Luke theorizes that the 2003 SACD and the MFSL were sourced from an LP cutting master and that the original master mixes were used on the Biograph and GHII remasters. Hopefully this will give you some ability to make a fairly knowledgeable leap to make the album purchase one way or another. 24 bit: Best of the bunch. net (24. for making the SACD version, and instead they CHOSE James Guthrie, who was an engineer producing, e. I bought 2 each ten years ago or so. I don't know which is more truthful. Vinyl: SACD offers digital precision, while vinyl provides analog warmth and character. #4. Also my opinion only. kevintomb Forum Resident. 10/disc royalty for CDs. Vinyl can sound utterly amazing at first but eventually you will wear out a record. . #6. The separation between the left and right channels on vinyl is 30dB, compared to digital files, which exceed 90 dB. It is overbright on SACD. Yes, but SACD's extend far above redbook. However, I think it's still too early to answer this question even with identically mastered sources recorded and played back on state-of-the-art equipment optimized for. swanlee, Dec 8, 2012. This is especially appealing for home theater enthusiasts. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. I've got a pretty good setup for vinyl and digital audio files, but I have an opportunity to get a "minty" 10-yr old audiophile-grade CD/SACD player for $350. Record labels. Location: KC Chiefs Kingdom. Location: West Hollywood, CA and Inverness, IL. Nevertheless, the advantages are obviously. Today, the world has moved on to multi-bit PCM. Ironically, the royalty for an SACD was the same as for a CD: $. It's very difficult to set up a direct A/B comparison between SACD and CD. of the Dark Side of the Moon, is NOT good sonically. Sometimes they are available in SACD,. The latest in this long history is a double-blind test that, the authors conclude, demonstrates that 44. SACD vs. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. g. The SACD is definitely much more forward and vivid across the board, with ringing steel strings and a real bite to the violin. Maybe but so far my experience with mofi's SACD vs vinyl has not been good for SACS. The RCA CD of Respighi’s Pines of Rome opens with a wall of sound plastered along the frontal plane of the speakers. 5 manual RCM then queued up one track at a time. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. SACD, to me, just doesn't sound real, life-like, or true. In my experience, 96/24 is only slightly better than 44/16. But they always compares SACD vs CD on the same player. The 16/44. Next. I will do some digging myself, so far still on the fence. Durability: SACDs are more durable and resistant to scratches compared to vinyl records. I will add this is one album I prefer listening to on CD (the MFSL release) or especially SACD vs vinyl so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. 1. The fact that the DSD pulse train VISUALLY happens to look more like the analog signal than the string of binary numbers that result from PCM encoding is meaningless - since both must be converted to analog audio anyway. g. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. However, I have tested the EQ of my cartridge and phono stage and in all the following examples, that EQ has been reversed out of the vinyl samples so that what we're comparing is the true EQ of what's in the LP groove. This first example compares MoFi' s Music From Big Pink - LP vs. Bluebook The right price. I will add this is one album I prefer listening to on CD (the MFSL release) or especially SACD vs vinyl so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Seems like for PG3 one should definitely get Classic Records Vinyl, for PG1 SACD gets closer to vinyl, but still the vinyl has upper hand. Truth is, there aren't really any bad sounding versions of this moody gem since the first pressing back in spring 1971. CD - page 2 Filters for SACD and DVD-Audio . 5 copies of steve davis' "quality of silence" hybrid sacd from her and she sent along a cd-r of her whole published vinyl theories. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Boy, what a difference. Also, instead of a 16-bit depth, it uses a 1-bit depth. I did the comparison via my Stax Lambda Pro headphone system (which can be quite revealing). 1. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. It is now showing as ‘in stock’ on the Acoustic Sounds. Sex Lies And Master Tapes, Sep 16, 2022. I hate the snaps clicks and pops of vinyl. SteelyTom likes this. #5. It. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Yes. I am intrigued by it but don't know if it would really give me any better quality for some recordings than what I already have. ? I jumped into the SACD thing because I wanted agood digital source for my CDs so I said why not pay some more and get SACD. This album can sound really good. Mobile Fidelity Gold CD 1988. Mirror Image Forum Resident. But when I find an album that is available in SACD vs Vinyl----SACD 90% of the time, unless the LP is a collectors items and LTD edition. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by swinger, Mar 2, 2004. If. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. But for myself, I think that SACD, when it is really done right (ei: A really good true DSD player, combined with either Pure-DSD recordings, or DSD from pure analog recordings) has many of the. The Rhino and Audio Fidelity releases are the same mix, but different masterings. Same thing goes for SACD. SACD players have a 8 to 10 second delay as they switch layers and the mastering can be different on different layers, even on the same hybrid SACD. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Vinyl: SACD offers digital precision, while vinyl provides analog warmth and character. LeeS said: ↑. True. Plays in all CD and SACD players. I had some old albums I wanted to play, so I blew the dust off my 35 year old TT and fired that mut. It's great for archiving, in it's day. Audiogon The world's largest high-end audio community. On September 16th Analogue Productions announced they will reissue the entire ABC/MCA Records Steely Dan catalog on SACD, and 45rpm UHQR LP, beginning November 4th with their debut album Can't Buy A Thrill, now in its 50th anniversary year. I don't know which is more truthful. The best of both worlds is vinyl ripped on a very high end rig in High res and then converted to DSD. 3) S/T Dire Straits - sounded good, but a bit underwhelming. New posts Search forums. SACD. Just trust your ears, as I do mine. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. " The album topped the Billboard chart for a week, and remained on the chart for 741 weeks from 1973 to 1988. Search first posts only. 1 kHz sampling rate, SACD samples at 2. I can hear the difference between CD and vinyl, and between CD quality and high-def audio. I find that SACD offers more detail and a deeper, wider soundstage and better instrument timbre over CD. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Litejazz53, Jul 13, 2019. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. #1. 1k Posted October 24, 2003 The XRCD probably had a goosed up high end and somebody was fooled into preferring it. . Just my $0. I, obviously, played the vinyl on my Clearaudio Concept TT. I may have to compare the SHM-SACD or other CD versions to this SACD to see if it improves at all on those. At current SACD and vinyl reissue prices I sure do. I've noticed a surfeit in the cost and availability of SACD's - prices are really cheap for some top notch music, often recorded in Europe with the cost for many disks below $12- with shipping no less! I'm in the process of digitizing my vinyl along with ripping hundreds of CD's to my Mac, but I also like playing a. • 180 Gram Vinyl Record. But I don't like surface noise or pops or skips. Doug Sax was also involved with the mastering of these CDs. CD has a tint. Redbook back in the day. If you like those genres then I can support jumping into SACD's in 2022. They all sound great but I really can't say that the SHM-SACD sounds better than the other two. On the other hand, Vinyl records have a larger dynamic range than SACDs, which means that they can accurately reproduce louder and softer sounds. . K. • SHM Single Layer SACDs. Analog sources- CD vs. Szeppelin75 Forum Resident. MikeT, Nov 3, 2019. On the other hand, at least to my ears, the bass lines are noticeably subdued on the 2012 SACD compared with the 2002 redbook CD. What do you think about SACD vs Vinyl in sound terms? I know it has been deiscussed but if you feel like answer me now after some years after its. Or that only some PS3s do SACD?neverbe said: ↑. . SACD vs. Technically, it's more an aesthetic choice or trying to be louder than the other band on the street. CD. I'm getting older so no longer hear above 16kHz, so that means 320 kbps mp3 is pretty much transparent to me, as well as v0 vbr mp3. As to the two selections, one is the Bob James Trio – “Espresso ” and the second is chlara. Vinyl.